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Alex,
Your first sentence is somewhat vague.Are you saying that the fact she had affairs with the Kennedys had something to do with her fame , or something to do with HER DEATH?!?! (cue stinger music)
I know you didn't mean it that way but it is a theory I've heard before.
However, she was famous years before JFK ever met her and unlike today his affairs were not widely reported in the media so I don't know if the general public was aware of it till after her death and his.
Yes as a matter of fact I had thought of Jackie Kennedy's reaction to the birthday song. Jackie would be one of the people I would put on my list of women of the last century who are more disserving than Marilyn of praise and who did not lower herself etc. She was the epitome of class and dignity as a first lady.
But if you read my post again, after you are done crapping your pants with uncontrolable laughter at the powerhouse of wit and humor, you'll notice how much I'm actually in agreement with you.
Not with that Taliban statement though. Man, you are way off on that.
Night and day, baby, night and day.
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PRM
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First off, I just want to say, "Skank."
Actually, I've got nothing to offer. I just wanted to say the word 'skank'.
Skank, skank, skank.
That's a funny word.
Roger
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So you and Matt have explained that Merryland reached legendary status by dying...although the fact that she was boinking half the white house might also have had something to do with it.
You have never even fathomed the humiliation Jacque O'Nassis must have felt when Merryland sang "Happy Boinkday, Mr. President" to JFK.
And perhaps you have never considered that anytime the media reminds the world of Merryland, it is in fact one more shovelful of dirt on the memory of woman from the past who really mattered, woman of real substance.
As for woman loving Marilyn more than men, wouldn't surpise me if they do it so they don't look like jealous tarts to men, plus, she's dead, as you two have pointed out, so she is no competition. It's easier to tribute someone who is no longer your competition.
As for the Taliban statement...just shows how much social brainwashing you have been through.
Marilyn does not represent "women" from the past century, sure as the Taliban don't know how to deal with woman in a civilized matter.
But Marilyn is what we will be forever stuck with, at the expense of woman of real substance. Not very civilized if you ask me.
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Alex
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You say tomato, I say toskanko.
In Marilyn's "defense", what else could she have contributed to the world other than what she did contribute?
Would the prevailing sociology of that time even allowed have allowed for to be anything but what she became?
You could say she was a victim of Circumskanks.
(your turn Roger)
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Alex
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I'm not sure that anyone's career can withstand the kind of scrutiny we're heaping on MM. She was a pretty girl that capatilized on her assets. Had she a handy knack for juggling at a time when there was a demand for jugglers, then perhaps that's what she'd be remembered for. Instead, she was a jiggler; same difference.
I think people are simply fascinated that anyone could leave their work at the office like she did. In as much as she probably would not have juggled around the house all day, she apparently felt little need to play the part of sex kitten when not in front of the cameras. I've read at least a few bios of people involved with her that said she looked great but had little interest in sex, itself.
That said, she may very well be one of the most underappreciated actresses of Hollywood history. To be able to exude such sensuality in the face of total apathy for the subject would be quite a stretch for any actress.
I get the impression that she would like to have been taken seriously as an actress. Certainly she had a gift for comedy. Skank or no, her timing was as good as the best.
Or, dare I say, she was no "skank amateur"?
Hah!
Roger
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I just want to reiterate that I am not anti-Marilyn Monroe specifically.
I am anti-Marilyn Monroe in the sense that she has become the icon of Female American Culture for the last half century, and in the process, other women more deserving than her have remained in oblivion.
If an intergalatic judicial system put the U.S and the Taliban on trial for their treatment of woman.
We would all probably be in agreement that the Taiban would be found guilty of crimes against woman.
The Taliban could then counter by pointing to a picture of Marilyn and saying that she represents American Culture for the last 50 years.
And the intergalactic court would find us guilty of atrocities toward women.
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Alex
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Just a fun fact, but Marilyn was born with 12 toes, 6 per foot. There is some early bathing suit photo were they are visible, but she later had the extra two removed.
Anyway, I can't see the taliban connection; after all, the big difference is that the US gives their women the freedom to be skanks if they so choose. Big difference.
Fun topic,
Scott
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Atrocities was a harsh word on my part.
but still, drum roll, here she is, the woman of the last half-century, Marilyn Monroe....
Doesn't work for me.
Too bad they never let her act like a Plain Jane...might have been breakout work for her.
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Alex
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Originally posted by MovieStuff:First off, I just want to say, "Skank."
Actually, I've got nothing to offer. I just wanted to say the word 'skank'.
That's a funny word.
Roger
Uhhhh, he said "SKANK". huh huh
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I think Marilyn Monroe was an image of pure, innocent childlike joy on the screen. She projected an image of someone untouched by sufferring, unable to conceive ugliness or evil, and who faced life with confidence and benevolence. This persona was inspite of and in strong contrast to her unhappy childhood.
Her own attractiveness and benevolent, innocent sense of life was the best gift she could offer the world and she expected to be admired for it, not hurt for it.
I think this is where her popularity stems from.
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